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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 17:01:09 GMT
Here is where I am at - Level: 38 Armor: 175 Fury: 40 Sorcery: 40 Discipline: 319 | Damage: 31-45 Crit Chance: 15% Crit Bonus: 220% HP: 1336 |
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Face: Green Kabuki Mask: +10% speed (in 5 days with rift reward.) OR Four Paths: +10 Disc, +25 Crit (Need to farm some bear pears/easy enough) Choice: Both, Mask for rift/paths for pve Chest - Severely lacking - need to find a fix. Tempted to spend the 120k gold for the Bound Gi Armor - +53 Disc (Link) - Or wait for a better drop in Mondomesa and replace then Choice: Undecided - a lot of coin for the shop item - and I keep hoping a sufficient drop in Mondo would be better time spent Weapon: I picked up Tin Claws (+125 Disc) while farming the epic chest in UD. I could finish the contract for Peace Keeper 2.0 (+72 Disc), but requires 2500 wood/stone each. And would be replaced at level 41. Seems like a waste of resources at this point. Back: Not really sure what to do... Stat Assessment: I think my Armor and HP are lower than they should be... Would you recommend all my stones go into Disc? Or should I rotate through all three? Disc: 319 / Armor: 175 / HP: 1336 Skills: Pureish Monk Build (Dedicating 10 points into Warrior at this point for the HP and Enrage) - Though for a Rift build it occurs to me that I might be better served picking up Earth Wave instead of Enrage.
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Post by fartuditu on Nov 8, 2013 17:55:20 GMT
Mask: for all purposes i use kabuki mask since it gives me speed and some stats too, since i got better one than green. I switch to 4 paths in rift when i get moonwalk curse, but i could just take it off, it wouldn't make a difference. 25 crit rating is maybe 1 or 2 crit percentage, and 15 disc is 1 or 2 days of sharding. Chest: 120k is indeed a lot of gold, which is best invested in expanding home i believe. You're low on health, i was in the same situation and wore sasquish chest item from contracts on lvl 40 till almost lvl 50. It would give you hp and armor in sufficient amount. Weapon: You can farm UD for bloop mints perhaps, though they suck. There's an item lvl 40 for monks to from one g5 map in grotto i think, not bad, and better than PK 2.0 if i remember. Getting PK 2.0 at lvl 38 seems late to me, and quite a big investment, bigger than for chest item. I opted for kunai on lvl 41, then tin claws on lvl 42+ till 50. You should invest all stones into hp, and i believe 99% of people playing cloudstone seriously will say the same thing. Never enough of hp, and i think 3-5 healbombs should heal you fully. But i'd still go for just hp till some 50 stones at least. Skills: 1 point in ew is good. Perhaps going for warmonk is premature for you, but still, once you get the aegis, you'll have somewhat easier time. Here's my build, and i use it for all purposes - in rift ew is pretty crucial to me for power gain. kong.cloudstonegame.com/main/CharacterViewer?uid=10061738If you do plan on rifting heavy, i suggest you get lvl 5 tornado. Without it, you'll be pretty much crippled with only hb and pb. Tornado is the way for monk in rift. It works well with mastery too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 18:52:49 GMT
Thanks, I definitely see the need for HP.
I like your build. Also makes sense that you did not invest in stretch or yoga (though I think I am too weak to not invest in those currently)
I think I will just keep farming for better chest/back items and get them when I do. 41 is close enough that I can hold out with my current weapon. My reasoning is in changing any of those 3 items shouldn't speed up or slow down my xp per min enough to make that much of a difference in reaching 41. So the marginal gain at this point is too low for me.
Tornado and Express Karma were on my list :-) Is there a reason you don't use Power Busrst - My one critique on it currently is the amount of power it consumes.
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Post by fartuditu on Nov 8, 2013 19:24:32 GMT
I can afford not to spend points in stretch and yoga due to stones collected so far and high level items. However in your case, you've done well to get bikram, and even stretch. 1 point in mass heal is good and can save your allies from dying too. Still, it's not a must. Also haste has its perks, but since monk weapons are at about 2-3 times per sec while 4 times per sec is cap, haste doesn't have full potential, but is still useful, mainly for sharding. What i think you should do is get to lvl 50 as fast as you can, as then you'll notice quite a difference in strength. Till today i had lvl 50 set and it was awesome. lvl 53 makes you much stronger than that, but it will take some time to get to 50, let alone 53. I think investing all in bloop traps payed off for me, and even though i didn't assemble full lvl 50 set that way, i had massive dmg from sanguine slacks which is a must till lvl 50. I tried to farm epic lvl 45 weapon for weeks and failed at it, so i discourage you to do so. Ranking up to 50 eventually was much easier and simpler, and obviously took less time. I also farmed some minor epic items like hand item and such, and i never got it. Waste of time, going straight for levels is the best. Crucial items were for me: tin claws, sasquish chest lvl 40, rest of the items for monks. At lvl 42 i got contract hat for 6 keys, i think that's good to get now, considering 5 key hat item on lvl 50 isn't the best to get with new lvl 53 gear. For back item sasquish backpack is good for dmg, while turtle shell is good for rift, even once you get back item from rift, in case of moonwalk and - armor. lvl 42 is big because of getting tin claws and head item; after that it's a slow progress. ring of bones which gives dmg is easily obtained at lvl 40, and i just took it off today when i got to lvl 53. lvl 45 neck item and lvl 45 weapon are something to consider, buying for rubies. If you see leveling up goes too slow and you don't like sasquish chest, go buy disc chest in shop, but i think you're right about it not changing your progress much, and i think sasquish chest is one of the best to have till lvl 50. Tornado is a must in rift. Express karma works for me since i have built for everything - sharding, arena and rifting. Ek is arena skill, that i can combine in rift with aegis. PB is a great skill i guess, especially with mastery, but till today i only had 600 disc and i didn't find it that useful i guess. Maybe i should change that and get PB instead of some skill In rift it won't be that useful to you since you don't have aegis, and it wastes mana as you said.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 19:56:35 GMT
Yea, it seemed like most of the focus should be leveling early on rather than farming. My plan thus far has been to get into the 40s. At which point I see the leveling process slowing down a bit from there. (For me at least). It seemed reasonable to shard my through 40-55.
But I see your point in getting to 50 as fast as I can. Which means I need to start stocking up on wood, which also means I need a ton of gold (seems a couple of bloop traps are necessary)
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Post by newsrasp on Nov 8, 2013 19:57:45 GMT
fartu, you forgot the back!
As for what to do about *that*, you can do turtle shell, then couple that with Sasquish Backpack at lvl 40 (contract), then get a rift cape at level 45.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 20:18:27 GMT
Thanks Rasp! Ok, I did a minor respect on the skills. I still die in Tormented Lands fairly easily (Depending on the ally) but I am holding my own for a bit longer than before.
Following Fartu's lead I kept Enrage at 4, and Added Earth Wave. That extra 20 power every minute helps significantly combined with Power Burst. I got rid of stretch but kept Bikram. Once my Disc is a bit higher I think I can drop the yoga as well.
On a side note, I think this is turning into a good thread for anyone around 30-40. Thanks Fartu and Rasp.
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Post by fartuditu on Nov 8, 2013 20:38:19 GMT
Rasp i did mention those 2 items. back item from rift crate is the best overall, once you get it and are able to equip it. Till faliage lvl 53 of course As for priorities, rifting or leveling, i guess both are viable. I think Rasp mostly concentrated on sharding till 50, while i concentrated on leveling. If you can get decent amount of shards right now from a boost, say 200+, you can just shard. At lvl 50+ you should get that amount either way, even with lowering lvl difference between you and champs, since you'll kill them faster and will encounter more, or will be able to kill champs you couldn't before. That even rhymes! xd You will undoubtedly start sharding at one point if you wanna advance further into game, and there are basically 2 ways - one is to leave one map unfinished, to be able to reenter it after 1 minute passes, or have everything done on g5. Either way has benefits, and if you plan on not finishing some map for that purpose, i suggest to leave bewildered plains, or familiar forest. If you finished familiar forest, i think you best finish all on g5, since i didn't see better maps for that purpose after Familiar forest map. Glad this helps a bit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 13:56:11 GMT
I guess im a bit late to this thread but oh well. I think you really gotta do something about that low armor of yours.In pvp for example, you'll go down dead to my crappy jagged ice sword before you even get the chance to healbomb. I think you either need some slightly bulkier armor,(ex the warmonk head armor,and replacing the jade ring and neck thing with something that can give a bit more armor,then sharding off the lost disc) or just going full out getting some health. Tbh, I think your missing a minimum of 50 hp stones :/ Your a low level however,so take advantage of it and shard well also,hpahpa and quix are the best summons as they have the most op weapons and don't die fast(or sometimes at all) Your skills seem fine though. When you hit level 40 autumn leafy gear is nice even though your more monk oriented. It still gives lots of disc and gives that armor and health your lacking. It might also make that earthwave that was before just for 20 power, now to actually damage some mobs in rift.
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Post by chail on Nov 10, 2013 20:31:08 GMT
I'm late in the disc as well, but still my 50c...
Neck: You can get and use Sasquish Toe and Shark Tooth Necklace soon and easily from gauntlets.
Ring: Same for Ring of Death and (with some minor luck) Wave Rider Ring.
Weapon: I'd not suggest wasting resources for lvl 3 Peacekeepers. If you didn't have the Tin Claws - you would have to. Now - so just lvl up a bit.
Head: War Horse Helm is your friend. 1-2 Arena seasons and you have it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 1:35:59 GMT
Awesome recommendations.
The materials for the Ring of Death are relatively easy for anyone to stockpile, so I expect to have that right at 40. I suffered greatly through Shadowed Shores though, so I don't see the Wave Rider coming for a while...
I have made sharding a priority now since lvl 39. Putting new stones into health. I knew leveling at the rate I did would leave me considerably weaker on stats and gear. But it also seemed wasteful to farm most of the lower level equipment. For example, I spent less than a day on picking up Tin Claws, and saved myself 12500 wood/stone from the Peace Keepers. Which I think is far better spent on bloop traps and donating to the guild.
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Post by fartuditu on Nov 11, 2013 10:06:50 GMT
Glad you opted for ring of death. I remember farming shadowed shores was waste of time, and i remember it well, even though it was long time ago xd. There's no difference in stats between two rings, and ring of death is easy to get as you said. Also glad you didn't go for pk 2.0 or higher, waste of resources, with better gear waiting ahead. As for sharding, i suggested having unfinished map, or having them all on g5 (or at least finished g4, with option to play on g5, same thing). Reason is that unfinished map can let you farm it indefinitely, while g5 map gives the most shards. Still the biggest impact has the number of champs that you kill, i'll explain why. wiki.cloudstonegame.com/index.php/ChampionBy the formula given here, if you farm only in bewildered plains, your average per champ is 51.2 shards. It's a 20 lvl difference, and you get average amount of shards like this: 10 20 30 40 13 8 4 2 29 19 11 7 For example 13 is the average which occurs in 10% of the encounters, which gives 29 shards unboosted, if you go through the formula. 19 in 20% fights, 11 in 30% and 7 in 40%. If you calculate the average out of it and multiply by 4, you get the given number of ~ 50 per champ. Not bad at all. Now say the highest lvl g5 map you can get to is 79, makeout point, 40 lvl difference. 70.8 is the average on that map for you. Difference is that you can replay bewildered 26 times during boost, while you can play makeout point 2 times. 20 shard difference doesn't really justify not having unfinished map in that sense. Still, if you have enough of high level maps, it's better to have them on on g5 then, but since your char is weak, you can't kill them all, and fast like you can on bewildered. So, for time being having unfinished map can net you some easy shards, till you get stronger to start going vs all g5 maps. Good unfinished maps are bewildered plains and familiar forest, in that order. Makeout point could be good perhaps, if you finished familiar already. There are number of tactics you can use with unfinished map. I used to run g5 maps till i find a starter (champ you almost kill, then start boost and finish it. Beware of healers! They can give shards before killing third champ if triplets). If i don't find champ on g5 map, i'd then switch to unfinished till i can play g5 maps again. I'd usually find a champ till then though. Once i find a champ, i would play g5 - unfinished - g5 - unfinished... Till i can replay only unfinished. You might still be weak to do that, so option is to just replay unfinished map. Replaying it in a way you use up 1 minute real time and reentering it is the most efficient. I'll give you links for tactics you can use if interested Rex. Hope i didn't bore you to death xd
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 2:30:18 GMT
I'll give you links for tactics you can use if interested Rex. Hope i didn't bore you to death xd Fartu - always interested. My attempts at sharding have been somewhat terrible. I have read a considerable number of posts/suggested routes/etc. Just seems to be a matter of execution at this point, and I havent tried out a shard boost yet as I was trying to hit 40 before the next season started. Also, some champs I was surviving before seem to be kicking my rear end. Even with a good summon at times. Not a bad week, Reached level 40. Jumped from Rift level 14 to 19. I still need to determine my win % here. Looks like I have 17hrs to see which floor I should make the most of... I was able to pick up: Sasquish Backpack & Squashers. And the Ring of Death. Most significantly my damage jumped up to 80-109 and my armor went up to 222. Though my Disc did go down to 296. (Just need two levels and the Tin Claws can help out with that). Seems like I really need to put in some effort on sharding to bring my stats up.
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Post by fartuditu on Nov 12, 2013 9:14:57 GMT
Alright, most topics here are from this forum. You'll find how to split triplets and fight one at a time, also how not to go vs some champs yet, like lucky strickers with electric, poison tornado attributes and few useful things i guess. You'll see more or less applicable tactics for newbies. You'll figure your own way, hopefully these will help. Best is to write down number of shards after each run to determine average. If it's below 200, you either have very slow pc, or are doing something wrong most likely, or are just too underpowered. In those cases, you can reduce game quality, or learn how to fight through more battles and few suggestions perhaps, or change your way of doing things - or even get to lvl 50 when it becomes somewhat easier. You still didn't tell us which level you left unfinished, but you'll figure out if unfinished map suits you or something else works better. roe.freeforums.net/thread/147/mondo-bewildered-plainsroe.freeforums.net/thread/273/comprehensive-sharding-tipsroe.freeforums.net/thread/62/low-level-shard-run-strategyroe.freeforums.net/thread/16/shard-run-routesforums.playsaurus.com/index.php?topic=4292.0As for items, your chest item really needs to be replaced, especially if you're about to shard, since it gives least exp, meaning you'll be otherwise stuck with useless chest item, which is the most important item usually for survivability. I suggest you go for sasquish coat, since you gain a lot by wearing it - your hp goes up, and it becomes more effective hp, due to armor reduction buff. You'd have almost 2k hp, with almost 45% armor, which is the cap vs champs. Go buy 120k chest item if you really want disc that much. Also going sharding with no haste is doomed at the very start i believe. Also no charge doesn't help much - charge isn't that useful though, but i still use it a lot in sharding. I have 4 items that give me bonus ms, and i equip them all for 50% bonus ms (movement speed). You can have 2 items for now i think, there's a back item in shop for 20k that gives 8% ms. Also you'll get mask from rift soon, that gives 10%. You'll need these in rift also, unless you get moonwalk, in which case you'll want to remove them. When i shard, i basically just run through the maps the fastest possible, and after my haste ends, i leave soon after, when i pass through teleport and see no warning sign. Bare in mind that once you kill a champ, you won't see new one in the next 30 seconds, so check the boost timer and after 30 sec enter new map. Also, for your current level and stats, you're pretty much useless compared to summons - abuse them a lot, and consider spending 1 point in mass heal if you're going to respec, which i strongly recommend. Survivability is lot more important than dmg you deal vs champs for now i think. Hope this helps a bit. If you have questions about splitting champs, sharding routes, sharding maps or anything else, feel free to ask
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 0:56:20 GMT
Unfortunately I could kick myself for getting rid of the Sasquish Coat when I picked it up at level 35. I figured at the time there would be something more disc based and as space can be a hot commodity, it seemed reasonable to sell it since I had 5 levels to go....Now I wish I had kept it. haha. It looks like I will have to pony up the 120k for the shop chest piece at this point.
Thanks for all of your help Fartu! I'll keep working at the sharding strategies. Success will come with some time ;-)
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